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Ryan Buck (00:26):

Hello, good people, and welcome to the pursuit of podcast where it’s truly not us. It’s you. My name is Ryan Buck, artist development for New Leonard Media with me as the boss, Mark Wilson, president New Leonard Media. How are you? Hey, I’m real. Well, how are you doing? I’m doing okay. All right. You know, kind of a bustling breezy night. That’s enough of that. Our guest today is miss Holly T. Bird, Supreme Court Justice, for the Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi Indians, and co-executive director of Title Track, and Council Member of the Northern Michigan E3. welcome, Holly. Thank you so much. Thank you for being here. I appreciate it. Well, we’re very excited to talk to you about what you’re doing with title track, but I have to start with a little bit of history because in college you canvassed for an environmental lobbying group, focusing on water contamination, which is interesting because canvas is such a fun, intriguing term, but now you’re a title track. Is that a coincidence that your focus on water started so early?

Holly T. Bird (01:34):

Not at all. Um, you know, I’m, I’m a native American woman. I’ve grown up around water. I grew up in Michigan and I’ve always, um, had a relationship and have been affected by the water around us. So, um, it was very natural for me with growing up with the values of appreciating our relationship with the water and having respect for the water to step into that role as a water protector.

Ryan Buck (01:58):

Wow. So the state admission of title track is this engaging creative practice to build a resilient social ecological systems that support clean water, racial equity, and youth empowerment to those uninitiated, what is creative practice?

Holly T. Bird (02:14):

So we, I’m also a founding board member of title track, and I recently stepped into the role as a co-executive director. Um, but we were very intentional with using the term creative practice rather than, uh, something like the arts, because the arts is not really an inclusive term for what everybody does in a creative way. Uh, quite often the arts leaves out cultural practices, cultural creative practices leaves out a ceremony, leaves out different things that, um, aren’t considered to be a quote unquote, fine art. So we wanted to be inclusive and we use the term creative practice instead so that we could include everybody. Wow,

Ryan Buck (02:55):

That’s really cool. Thank you. Buying arts distinguishing between regular and fine. It seems like a distinction that doesn’t need to be made. Right. Interesting. So a big part of title tracks is existence is thanks to the need, to want to research and education center who have their own amazing history. If you read on your website, uh, which is title track,, you can read about their amazing history, but how did that work? Was that like a merger and an acquisition or was it something different?

Holly T. Bird (03:29):

So Seth Bernard, who was really the founding visionary for title track, um, it is my fellow. Co-director had known Bob Russell and Sally van black from Nia Tijuana for his whole life. And they were both as members of the Nia Toronto, uh, organization and, and rec. They were very inspirational to him. So when he started sort of shopping this idea about creating title track, he spoke to Sally about it. And Sally was the one that came up with the idea of, Hey, you know, we’re kind of starting to close down here. She, she was looking forward to sorta retiring and just running the Inn and teaching yoga and thought it would be a great idea if instead of having to, to create a brand new 5 0 1 C3, which as we know, takes time and money, you know, um, that they, we just take over what they had started. And so with that, um, we had, uh, a bunch of really great brainstorming sessions. We had a lot of input from Neotawantah members and

Ryan Buck (04:31):

Getting input from the members.

Holly T. Bird (04:33):

It was really just conversational. You know, it was, everybody was very supportive. There was really no degression whatsoever as far as what we were trying to do and how that meshed with the values that Nia Towana had started. So, you know, the members of Neotawantah have such a long history of activism in the area and their archives are amazing. You know, the things that they’ve done, the educational materials they’ve put together. So the fact that we get to sort of access that when we need it, as well as the enthusiasm and the mentorship is such a gift. And so that’s what, that’s what Seth kind of brought forward and to celebrate that we actually did like an official passing of the torch that was ceremonial along. Um, we, we held an event at the twin lakes lodge with all of the new members and the, and the members of Neotawantah. Um, we had a ceremony that involved actually passing a torch and as well as some singing and dancing. And, um, and then we had a celebration and then we, we also embarked on doing the official, you know, part of it, which was changing the articles of organization and reflecting, reflecting a new name change, and a new mission.

Ryan Buck (05:47):

The ceremony is that a traditional native ceremony that you can draw on or did you draw from different, uh, ceremonies to, to commemorate that passing of the torch? It drew on

Holly T. Bird (05:57):

A lot of different traditions because there were, you know, there, it was multicultural. I was there and I was part of that ceremony. So I kind of brought that native element to it, but there were, yeah, absolutely. So yeah, I come from an actually a very musical family and a lot of, a lot of band members.

Ryan Buck (06:15):

I couldn’t have organized that transition better because your founder, Seth Bernard is a musician, as you mentioned. Right. And he has a really epic, pretty dynamic song, um, called turkeys in the rain. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard that. It’s a really good song. It’s not my normal style of music. Yep. We’re really good. But there’s also several musicians on the board and musician is seen as a healing medium. Right. Right. So how big a part does music play in the overall picture of title track?

Holly T. Bird (06:47):

So for us, music is central in, in many ways, it’s not just musicians that we focus on because I have a musical family, but I have a background in visual art. So I went to Interlochen for dance and theater, and then I ended up graduating from undergrad with a degree in visual art. So we include that stuff as well. But, um, I think with Seth’s enthusiasm for music, that’s why we’ve had so much influence with his connections. And one thing that we do, and most people don’t know this, unless they’ve been to one of our meetings, you know, we open up like our board meetings, we open up with a song and end with a song that’s awesome.

Ryan Buck (07:23):

He listened to, or do you participate?

Holly T. Bird (07:25):

Somebody plays really. Yeah,

Ryan Buck (07:28):


Holly T. Bird (07:29):

Oh, wow. Yeah. And sometimes it’s a poem I’ve done, you know, native singing before for them and you know, or an indigenous song for them. And they’ve appreciated that, um, or something non-indigenous, you know, and we’ve also read from indigenous writers poets before, and you know, it’s, we have a lot of fun with it.

Ryan Buck (07:48):

Your typical corporate board meeting, I think, uh, it doesn’t start like that. No, Who’s got the PowerPoint and we’re going to put this up and have a Danish if you want it.

Holly T. Bird (07:59):

Yeah. Our work is, is very, it’s very heart-centered and I think that it’s also working on being anti-oppressive. So to do that, you really have to uplift and recognize that we’re all human and that really all of this is about relation ship and connection. So if you start off recognizing that, whether it’s by song, by art, by prayer, by, um, Goodwill, you know that that’s going to put you on the right foot for the work that you have to do.

Ryan Buck (08:28):

Well, a lot of those concepts are great connectors. Everybody can get behind that and to start a meeting that way and to end a meeting that way specifically, I think ending the meeting that way, because ending is usually like everybody just wants to leave and on allowed the door, but to have that all right, we did something is a nice bookend to that. That’s amazing. So you have a visual art and dance background and a legal background out of those two marry with one another. You think they wouldn’t, but I think maybe they do.

Holly T. Bird (08:59):

They really do. Actually I, uh, when I was at Interlochen, like I said, I was there for dance and theater, both of rich, uh, require a great deal of discipline, long hours of training. And you really have to know how to focus yourself. So even though I didn’t go on to be a dancer, I have actually been in production since then. Um, even while I was in law school, I would do things.

Ryan Buck (09:24):

So hitting the books, like in the movies and then dancing in the evenings.

Holly T. Bird (09:28):

Sure. I was in a production of grease in Chicago and you know, I did stuff like that. I was Jan, I was a pink lady. So yeah, it was pretty

Ryan Buck (09:37):

Funny. She was going to fly.

Mark L. Wilson (09:40):

I didn’t know. She was quite a Rizzo.

Holly T. Bird (09:42):

I tried out for Rizzo and here’s the thing I wanted it really bad. And they gave it to someone who didn’t even audition. She was in another production. And so when this, this woman came on, her name was, um, was Catherine, it must have

Mark L. Wilson (09:54):

Been a good fit. Then

Holly T. Bird (09:55):

She was, she’s an excellent singer, but I was ready to hate her. And so I her up. I bumped her off a bench, uh, during our first rehearsal together, we ended up being best friends,

Ryan Buck (10:08):

Dominance. Oh,

Holly T. Bird (10:09):

She did it, she did it right back and we were fast friends. So, you know, we were great.

Mark L. Wilson (10:13):

Yeah. That’s what I did to Ryan when I first had him

Ryan Buck (10:15):

And he constantly shoves me off benches and chairs in Greece was just, uh, added to the, uh, library of Congress as a, as a film of significant importance.

Holly T. Bird (10:26):

Yeah. And if you think about it, it is, I mean, significant cultural importance and of American

Ryan Buck (10:33):

Classism. It’s a bizarre, it’s a bizarre, they fly away in a car at the end. That’s a

Holly T. Bird (10:37):


Ryan Buck (10:40):

The idea has changed exactly who you are and it is all going to be fun. Right?

Holly T. Bird (10:45):

Yeah. And to make that connection between the arts and what I do now, I think that the, the rigor and the discipline and the focus that I learned in the arts helped me be, become a lawyer. You know, I, I needed that stuff to, to know how to study for hours. I needed that to feel comfortable, advocating and speaking. And I really think it, it helps me. I always say, I’m never afraid to be in front of a crowd. I mean, rarely am I afraid to be.

Mark L. Wilson (11:08):

I actually just got done telling a friend who’s a young daughter is interested in acting and interested in podcasting actually. And I had said that I think every child should have some experience with that. Cause I think it really translates in the professional world. And in every other thing, I mean a hundred percent, uh, Ryan, you’ve got a sales background, you know,

Ryan Buck (11:28):

It has everything to do with presents confidence in performance in, you know, if you’re in a theater production, it’s you and a whole bunch of people, if you’re a soloist, it’s you. And you know, if you’re in a band, it’s you and three other people, but it instills confidence. And I think, you know, confidence without arrogance is a, is a good thing. Right.

Holly T. Bird (11:50):

And I do think that my focus in the arts and, you know, I have a degree in anthropology as well. I came to,

Ryan Buck (11:57):

I didn’t find anything else. My research team did not uncover this. You gotta have a decreased, you have, are we counting like nine? Okay.

Holly T. Bird (12:04):

Well, I have, um, undergrad was, you know, art, social science, anthropology, and theater. So I had, I had two majors and two minors, and then I have a law degree and I have done work like post grad work as,

Ryan Buck (12:20):

Are you from a family of like overachievers, [inaudible] driven to this. Everybody is just never good. You got to keep going, keep going.

Holly T. Bird (12:30):

We have some accomplished people, but you know, we also have some people that, you know, are living kind of normal. Day-to-day

Ryan Buck (12:36):

Lives be a very large family.

Holly T. Bird (12:38):

I do. Yeah, I do. And I’m thankful for my family. We’ve got, you know, we’re on all ends of the spectrum. So it’s been a great lesson for me as a person to grow up in my family. My mother was the very first person in the country to do what she did. So my mother, um, was, is, was Susan Michelle. And, um, she was the very first person, I believe in her family to go to college. And she was a phlebotomist and she began selling, um, medical supplies and testing equipment. And when she was the very first woman to do that, and then she opened up striker laboratories with Dr. Striker, who was, you know, from the Kalamazoo family, that

Ryan Buck (13:21):

Stryker lab.

Holly T. Bird (13:22):

Yeah. Very first outpatient testing laboratory. We did the very first HIV testing in Michigan, as well as everything else. And then sold that to Damon co corporation. And now, you know, it is quest diagnostics, which is, which is the premier medical lab testing laboratory in the United States.

Ryan Buck (13:41):

I heard like the best sweet delight guest because she just keeps on.

Holly T. Bird (13:46):

So my mom was definitely an inspiration. Yeah. I have to give her kudos. I mean, she passed and I’m very proud of her. That’s incredible. So, yeah. And she started the children’s garden here too as well.

Ryan Buck (13:57):

That’s amazing. So title track focuses on three and I, I forget, I called them pillars. You have water equity in youth. And just so the listeners understand, are those three elements kind of symbiotically aligned to create success or did those come from passions from people? If that makes sense,

Holly T. Bird (14:18):

They’re definitely symbiotic. They’re, um, they’re all forms of something that makes up a resilient community. You can’t have youth empowerment with dirty water. You know, you can’t have water being uplifted without recognizing the fact that it’s so disparate on, on people of color. When a water systems go bad, you have to work all of those things together and it’s completely symbiotic. So some of this stuff that we could do, it gives us a lot of freedom as well because they are, they so different yet on one hand we were able to marry them. You know, and this is the funny thing is when we first started this, when I was a board member, I remember I had just come back from standing rock. I was kinda tired. And Seth was asking me to be on this board and I remembered listening to what he wanted to do and going, you know, that sounds really cool. I don’t know how you’re going to do it. Like I really didn’t, I didn’t think much would happen because it just seemed like a lot to put into one title. Just kind of like you’re saying. And yet, um, that first year, and, you know, we’ve kind of gotten past our first year and going into our second was super successful. He did some amazing things with it.

Ryan Buck (15:30):

And you came into being on earth day in 2019, correct. Wow. Now the original founding was a couple on their wedding day. Right. So did you feel an important to mark the founding on an important day? I mean, earth day seems like a great choice.

Holly T. Bird (15:47):

That was definitely symbolic and it, and it was intentional. Very intentional.

Ryan Buck (15:51):

Yes. So what’s interesting is your focus on youth empowerment and empowerment is kind of a loaded word, you know, that that could be seen in different ways. But I think the youth, as a demographic, that’s really desirable to everybody. Everybody wants to get in on the ground floor as it were with humanity. And then you got X-Box and PS five and all that kind of stuff. So how hard is it in this current climate to engage young people in caring about the environment, about caring about clean water?

Holly T. Bird (16:20):

It’s easier than you think because youth are interested in almost anything that you present to them a certain way. One of the things that we did very successfully as we approached the youth in Flint, and there were a lot of youth that were going to some different programs, they’re certainly suffering the effects of the Flint water system certainly affected by impoverishment and sort of the flight

Ryan Buck (16:44):

And sorry to stop it. You brought, you brought up Flint. That’s not been talked about in a while, is it? That’s? Uh, it’s good. Everything’s fine. Or everything’s not fine. Is there

Holly T. Bird (16:54):

No, there’s still [inaudible] yeah. Flint is still broken. Uh, there’s still a lot of people who are very sick and it’s still certainly going through impoverishment. Yeah. It’s, it’s definitely worthy of talking about, and there’s still a lot of work to be done in Flint.

Ryan Buck (17:09):

And are there people or organizations that you know of, sorry to put you on the spot on the ground that are our champions for that in that area or that you work with because you’ve got a lot of great partners.

Holly T. Bird (17:19):

I really love Melissa Mays. She is a water activist there. I really love Amber Hassan. She’s she’s there she’s actually poet, but she’s kind of somebody who’s down on the ground with that stuff. And is really his spotlight. A lot of what’s happening to Flint residents. There’s we, the people is, you know, as an organization that we partner with on a lot of stuff they’re in Detroit, but they, they kind of spread out and help out in different places. So there’s

Ryan Buck (17:44):

Quite a bit, it’s interesting. You’ve mentioned the melding of artists, activists in corporate and legal and all these different backgrounds. What about this particular space seems to bring so many different people together

Holly T. Bird (17:59):

About title

Ryan Buck (18:00):

Track, uh, in, in general. Yeah. What you’re doing. I mean, it seems like you’re able to bring together a very diverse group of people working towards a common goal. Um, how do you keep that in the same direction in your position?

Holly T. Bird (18:13):

Well, I think that’s, that’s where creativity comes in. You know, if you have the freedom to be creative, you can widen those spaces. If you’re open to meeting people where they’re at and with what they have to present and accepting that, you know, then you’re, then you’re, you’ve got a lot, you know, there’s, everybody has a lot to offer. Right.

Ryan Buck (18:34):

Well, what would you say to somebody who says they’re not creative?

Holly T. Bird (18:40):


Ryan Buck (18:40):

Uh, is it possible somebody is really not creative and you’d be like, sorry,

Holly T. Bird (18:44):

I think there’s different. I think it depends on what you mean by creative. There’s there are many different forms of creativity. My husband likes to say that he can’t sing, he can’t carry a tune. He can’t draw a picture. He would call himself on creative and

Ryan Buck (18:57):

I say, create creating something. Right.

Holly T. Bird (19:01):

And I say, and yet you’re able to develop relationships with people. And you’re one of the funniest people I know,

Ryan Buck (19:07):

And I know your husband and he has been called a sponge of useless information. And he identify with that. I think that’s a very likable quality in a person. It is because the random facts they’re there for you when they, when you need them, you could be having a down in the dumps day. And this random fact, you know, all the bond women in the movies were dubbed by other actresses at weird facts. We’ll just make you happy and get you through the day.

Holly T. Bird (19:35):

I always say there are people have different forms of creativity, so it takes creativity and it takes patience and it takes all of those things to inspire good relationships. Right. It takes a lot of creativity to be a funny person, you know, to, to come up with a witty joke and, and intelligence, you know? So there’s a lot of that in everybody. Um, it just depends on what you, the way you look at it, right?

Ryan Buck (19:56):

Oh, so we talked about partners, you’ve got a lot of great partners, including cross hatch groundwork center for resilient communities talked about with the people. How do you approach partnerships in what criteria is important to you in a partner?

Holly T. Bird (20:10):

Well, for our organization, we look at, at Alliance with our goals and that the way that we do things, we’re not necessarily goal oriented. We’re, we’re more value centered. So we look at organizations that have values that align with ours. We look at organizations that are doing things really well, you know, that seemed to be passionate about what they do and also advancing a goal of the common. Good. Right?

Ryan Buck (20:36):

Yeah. Now your founding organization need to want a research and education center. A lot of their early work was founded on activism. Correct. Which is interesting. So does that carry through to title track and in this environment, you know, where do those activities lie at this point,

Holly T. Bird (20:55):

It really does carry through. Um, even though we’re not a political organization and we don’t endorse specific candidates, we do talk about issues. And, and part of what we do is we, we allow, um, artists and crafters and artisans to, um, express themselves and, and become part of this to support an issue that they have. So a lot of our, our musicians for example, are really passionate about water. We’ll put on a show or sponsors a panel or something that reflects those issues, you know, so, Hey, can you come on and sing a song about the Y

Ryan Buck (21:32):

It seems like that’s a natural connect, right? Yeah. I do music poetry in order to, to galvanize in order to raise money in order to get people behind. And that’s been, it’s been like that forever. I mean, if you think about it, activists, it takes storytellers. Exactly. And you got your Bob Dylan, you know, and there’s so many stories about how people have used their, their gifts for good, and maybe earn a song is, you know, in the modern age that we’re at in the YouTube age, but that’s always been an interesting parallel, I think, using creativity to inspire positivity in the world and activism. And like Holly was saying, you know, positivity doesn’t necessarily have to be partisan, right. Just like this show, we bring on people that we would like to work with and that do focus on positive change in the world, in our society. And that it doesn’t necessarily have to be part of.

Holly T. Bird (22:28):

Right. And I always say, you know, part of the power of creative practice is that when we, when we do have issues, when we do have struggles, when we do have things such as this pandemic, you know, that are affecting our community, um, I would say as a native person, we just, when we’re in the middle of like a hard thing, we just sing louder. You know, we pray harder. We love harder. We, um, we make art, you know, more prolifically and, um, that’s sort of what we’re, we’re doing. You know, we’re, we’re singing louder, right? Where, um, we’re inspiring artists to become part of doing this work. We bring in people to help, um, do songwriting classes with the youth. We’re going to start a water protector training program for youth this year. And it’s going to be indigenous inspired. Um, that’s going to happen virtually just to begin with. So, and as soon as we can branch out, we’ll, we’ll probably start a,

Ryan Buck (23:24):

And I think the positivity is contagious, you know, and it tracks like-minds, and it’s not hard to get people on board. Yeah. Um, and whenever we think about, you just mentioned the pandemic, it’s hard with what we’re going through, but th the stop and think about what our elders and ancestors have been through and put up with the small price to pay, to get the world back on track. And your music has always been a core of that. And if you look at, you know, adversity and turmoil, that’s always a good breeding ground for creativity, which seems a great place to settle next to your mission, which is amazing. So I see that Joe Short is a board member of yours and obviously clean water is very important to the beer business. How did that union happened?

Holly T. Bird (24:11):

I always say, you know, if you don’t have clean water, you don’t have beer. Right. But Joe, Joe’s been passionate about clean water in addition to, you know, beer for a long time and he’s a musician. So, um, I think that title track appealed to him because of, of all of those things that he loves and that he’s passionate about. He came on as a board member, um, through Seth. So, you know, south kinda picked him out and said, I know you you’d be good at this. And he sure enough, he has, you know, one of the really cool things that, that he chaired and sort of was leading up, was Kraft libations for collective liberation, which is a program through title track where we’ve inspired, uh, the breweries to start going through racial justice training and so that they could spread that amongst their employees and on, within their communities. And we, we started there with the breweries because of Joe, you know, cause Joe is part of that beautiful community of brewers who are making craft beers and craft, I guess, libations, it would be called. Uh, it doesn’t matter that for example, I don’t drink, you know, what matters is that’s his passion. And there’s a lot of people that are passionate about the subject of racial justice, right? So they’re fundraising, they’re doing trainings and it’s, you know, it’s been a very great and successful program

Ryan Buck (25:35):

And not to get too technical, but I know a lot of companies have diversity requirements. Is there a difference between diversity training and racial justice training? Absolutely.

Holly T. Bird (25:46):

So diversity training, I would say is very eighties. Um, diversity training really just talked about

Holly T. Bird (25:54):

Pretty much, you know, it’s, that was really focused on, um, okay. We’re gonna teach people from a white framework, you know, that there are people with differences than you, and that’s not a bad thing, you know? So it was really about teaching tolerance. And then also telling them, you know, you can’t say these things around people, or you’re going to get in trouble. What, um, anti-racism is, is, goes a little further because it requires people to examine themselves and find out what their biases are. What is it that you hold inside that you may or may not know about that can be harmful or oppressive to people around you

Ryan Buck (26:32):

Heavy. Yeah. That’s a big concept and it’s a lot of us don’t realize it about ourselves and that’s, that’s okay. As long as when things are brought to light, you’re able to look. Yeah, I can imagine.

Holly T. Bird (26:46):

And here’s the thing. Every single person in the United States who who’s been through our school system has been taught. Racism has been taught to be racist because it’s within our system. That’s where we talk about these things like, Hey, I bet you didn’t know. You probably didn’t know this. If you really knew what the meaning of Thanksgiving was and how it started, you might think differently about celebrating that, you know, as a holiday for your family, or maybe celebrating it differently. You know, it’s about bringing that, that realization around internally. And it’s also about healing people. So, you know, we believe that both sides, you know, of any issue regarding racial justice need to be healed. White people have heard their own hearts by participating in white supremacy. There’s a healing that needs to take place, whether they think so or not, you know, in order for them to be able to connect and be open to all people. Right. Um, cause it’s a lonely place to be. If you regard a whole other group of people as something that’s negative, you know, that shuts you off to relationships and opportunity. So we believe that needs to be healed. And we also need to heal from that. And you know, then we come together and move forward.

Ryan Buck (27:57):

She’s amazing. [inaudible], that’s why I really was excited to get you on the show. Have you come in to talk about it? So you talked about coven and a lot of people like to try to find the silver lining if it exists and see the positive. So a lot of things that I’ve been reading are less people out, less exhaust on the roads. Has any of this last year been good for water in general has less people outside. Has there been any positive influence to our water because of COVID?

Holly T. Bird (28:35):

You know, it it’s,

Ryan Buck (28:38):

I guess you’re not a scientist.

Holly T. Bird (28:39):

I would have to say no. I, I, I would agree with that. I mean, it’s unfortunate to say that, but the fact that people are less active, not driving around as much, they’re not using as much energy, not polluting as much has had an, uh, positive effect on our,

Ryan Buck (28:57):

Yeah. I mean there, some people, friends of mine who said like, does the sky look a little bluer to you? And I kind of choose to believe that no weird way. It said that there was a noticeable change in the air quality. And as well as in places like India, very, very different the behaviors of wildlife.

Holly T. Bird (29:14):

Okay. Yeah. And we’ve seen wildlife come back to some places that were, you know, you saw pictures of like deer walking on the shore or downtown in some cities that were, were closed up dude to quarantine and people were amazed and I’m like, what? You didn’t know they were there,

Ryan Buck (29:30):

But for the animals, they’re like everything forever and ever. And then for a couple of weeks, they’re like, oh, people, yeah.

Holly T. Bird (29:37):

We feel safe. Should we

Ryan Buck (29:39):

Let’s go check out downtown traverse city? And what does that,

Holly T. Bird (29:42):

What does that say about us? That animals stay away from us? Yeah,

Mark L. Wilson (29:46):

Well, you know, as we, uh, urban sprawl, there is more and more sightings of animals that have lost their habitat that are just looking for something to eat in town.

Ryan Buck (29:58):

Right. Well, if you, if you look at a lot of there, there’s some books about this, a movie like 12 monkeys. The first thing that happens is nature takes back the earth and doesn’t look like a terrible thing. So what is the best way for anyone interested in supporting title, track, looking for volunteer opportunities, even if it’s just virtual to donate, what’s the best way to contact you and support title track.

Holly T. Bird (30:22):

So go to title, track,, and take a look at what we have to offer there’s programs there. Um, right now most of our offerings are with racial justice training and we’re finishing up our last cohort for the year. And then we’re going to start back up again in February. But, um, we also, you know, provide those youth trainings and we provide, um, you know, opportunities for artists to be supported too. Right. So, um, we’ve got our fingers in a lot of different things, so it’s almost hard to quantify, but like another part of our program that we’re doing this year is, um, we’re going to be showcasing indigenous artists for this year and doing kind of a fundraiser for print and things like that. And making sure people get to know who they are and hopefully supporting their work. We’re going to be hopefully doing that, you know, for years to come with different people, we’re going to be still doing skill swaps like we do every year. Uh, we work hand in hand, of course, with the harvest gathering and earthworks, we do a lot of really, really fun and amazing things. So,

Ryan Buck (31:24):

And if, and maybe this isn’t your real house, sorry, but if a company, a local or otherwise wanted to include racial justice training in their, in their organization, could they reach out to you either for resources or to do it?

Holly T. Bird (31:37):

Yeah, we’re, we’re trying right now, we’re in the process of customizing programs for organizations. So we’re working, for example, we’ve made offerings to the Travis city police department and we’re, um, we’ve been asked by the Leelanau county sheriff for something similar. Yeah. We’re, we’re open to,

Ryan Buck (31:53):

Uh, I, you know, I knew this podcast would be just wonderful and affirming and we’re not that many episodes in, but wow, this has been tremendous. Thank you so much, Holly, thank you so much for your pursuits and to all those who pursue along with you and to the listeners. Thank you all for listening and pursuing the positive. Thank you so much

Holly T. Bird (32:15):

For what you’re doing as well.

Mark L. Wilson (32:20):

Thank you for listening. One more time with the pursuit of podcast for more information, and to get involved with title track, go to Also Kchi Miigwetch. Thanks to our supporters. Herb N Meds, traverse city, Michigan and a huge shout out to tin lid, hat company, Use promo code thepursuitof on both websites for an exclusive discount to our listeners. Thank you so much. All feedback is appreciated and we hope you join us on the next one.